[?]: S5 135 PLC problem

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:14 pm

Dear Experts,
i have a S5 135U/155U cpu 928b

If I power up the system the Run led is off .QVZ & BASP led is on.

Digital Input led is ON but All digital output led is off

i connect step5 with cpu. upload my backup program (s5d). no problem to upload,but still same error.

Here is the photo--

CPU

http://i54.tinypic.com/i6e2ih.jpg

Digital input and output card.JPG

http://i53.tinypic.com/211sz2c.jpg

Error

http://i55.tinypic.com/k53eja.jpg

Error

http://i54.tinypic.com/2lng3dv.jpg

My Zennon SCADA is working fine.
Now, Please, tell me, is it a hardware fault??
and how could i find out the faulty card?

Thanks in Advance
ISteak

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:00 pm

After your DO there is an 4 Channel module (WFxxx or IPxxx?).
Your pictures shows an PEU (periphery not clear) and stops at OB23 with a Stopcommand.
So I think this module is your problem!
Take a look at FB57!

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:51 pm

please explain more
i am new on it

thanks

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:21 am

PEU means in your program is coded a direct access to the peripherie like L PEW or T PAW (german mnemonik).
Your 1st error picture shows an stop comand as the cause of your problem (cause of interrupt STP).
The place is OB23 on relative adress 08h (REL-SAC). Your last FB before stop was the FB57. I guess this one handels your module.

Your 2nd error picture shows a PEU (peripherie unclear) and a QVZ (acknowledgement delay).
The reason for these two errors is an module which communicate over the peripherie like your IP or WF or else.
Not DI or DO, here you would have an ADF (adress failure) at restart.

If you don't understand anything of i discribed, sorry for that. It is not so easy with the S5 if you don't have any experience.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:24 pm

from my s5d program

it has 316 blocks

if i transfer all block to PLC Stop, BASP, QVZ Led is ON

and all output led is off but input led is on

if i delete OB13 & OB20 block from PLC then, Stop & QVZ led is off. Run & BASP LED is ON
(see attached s5d on zip)
i already try cold warm reset

now can you tell me how can i solve my problem??

which card is faulty digital input card or digital output card or...........??

i checked 24v in output it is all right but why there is no led on in digital output?

if 1 digital output card is faulty then every digital output card will stop working??

PLEASE TELL ME HOW CAN I SOLVE MY PROBLEM??

THANKS
ISTEAK

Jaja · Post by **Jaja** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:10 pm

If I remember, you should go to the FB47 in CPU, then show addresses (F1 or Shift F1 key) and look at address E213 or previous line. I think, there will be an access to some periphery. And this periphery is your problem. Good luck.

Jaja · Post by **Jaja** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:18 pm

But... Send a snap of all rack with CPU.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:43 pm

Jaja wrote:If I remember, you should go to the FB47 in CPU, then show addresses (F1 or Shift F1 key) and look at address E213 or previous line. I think, there will be an access to some periphery. And this periphery is your problem. Good luck.

i am new on it how could i detect or identify the faulty card by periphery

PLEASE I AM NEW ON S5........
is this a hardware defect?? which one possibly? here is the images....

and tell me a way to solve it.....
CPU

http://i54.tinypic.com/i6e2ih.jpg

Digital input and output card.JPG

http://i53.tinypic.com/211sz2c.jpg

Error

http://i55.tinypic.com/k53eja.jpg

Error

http://i54.tinypic.com/2lng3dv.jpg

Jaja · Post by **Jaja** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:34 am

But your pictures are the some like above ...
1. Is the CPU in the Central rack?
2. Connect to the CPU, open FB47 (Editor -> Step 5 Block, Source CPU),then switch into STL representation (Shift F5) and show addresses (Shift F1). Look for address E213 and send a screen snap.
Yes, this is a hardware defect. Maybe only a contact, maybe some card is wrong. You need to determine which one.

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:14 am

Your Problem is the card after the DO. If you are not able to tell us what card is plugged, we cannot say what you can do.
And don't look to FB47, look to FB57. Here is the command like L PEW or T PEW. So we can see what card is the issue for your problem.
Your problem IS NOT any Digital Input or Output!!!!

So believe it or not, it's your choise.

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:16 am

If your CPU is in Stop and so you have BASF it is normal you don't have an Output Signal.
I think you are not the right man for this problem.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:26 pm

centipede wrote:Your Problem is the card after the DO. If you are not able to tell us what card is plugged, we cannot say what you can do.
And don't look to FB47, look to FB57. Here is the command like L PEW or T PEW. So we can see what card is the issue for your problem.
Your problem IS NOT any Digital Input or Output!!!!

So believe it or not, it's your choise.

So which card is faulty?
Here is my program

http://plcforum.uz.ua//51170EST.S5D

smsasg · Post by **smsasg** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:31 pm

I agree with centipede... The problem with the cards whose address contains PY 224 or PY 240... I suspect this cards are high speed counter IP242 (after the DO-cards)

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:48 pm

OK, your problem is the IP242 6ES5 242-1AA13.
It's a 5 Channel Fast Counter Module, very old.
I think you have 2 of them.
The 1st uses the PW 224-239, the 2nd 240-255.
Wich of them is broken are not responsive, you can only check if you are online. So the FB57 is in use several times in your program, for the 1st and for the 2nd IP242.
Normaly you take the part of the 2nd one out of the program and look what happen.
Check the OB20 and OB22, here you have the start OBs with twice the FB161 and twice the FB191 each for each IP.

Now this is your part, show what you have learned.

If you have an other IP242, so change it (check the Jumpers, Settings!).

Or you try it by the Indian Method (from Siemens forum

)

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:11 pm

Thank you for your help.....
i will check it tomorrow........

again thanks

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:00 am

centipede wrote:OK, your problem is the IP242 6ES5 242-1AA13.
It's a 5 Channel Fast Counter Module, very old.
I think you have 2 of them.
The 1st uses the PW 224-239, the 2nd 240-255.
Wich of them is broken are not responsive, you can only check if you are online. So the FB57 is in use several times in your program, for the 1st and for the 2nd IP242.
Normaly you take the part of the 2nd one out of the program and look what happen.
Check the OB20 and OB22, here you have the start OBs with twice the FB161 and twice the FB191 each for each IP.

Now this is your part, show what you have learned.
If you have an other IP242, so change it (check the Jumpers, Settings!).

Or you try it by the Indian Method (from Siemens forum )

i have 3 card after do card here is the list

6ES565-4UA12
6ES565-4UA11
6ES5470-4UA13

Now can u tell me which card?

Corosop15 · Post by **Corosop15** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:50 am

centipede means the card on the right (with 4 plugs, named channel 1-4).

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:18 am

centipede where are you???

waiting for your reply......

see the images

http://i52.tinypic.com/2vt78qt.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/6iuq1y.jpg

Corosop15 · Post by **Corosop15** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:59 am

Here an picture of IP242

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:35 am

THANKS a lot

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:01 pm

Pls tell us how many IP242 do you have in your PLC?
I always see only one IP242 on your picture. The 2. is an IP243 (near the CPU). It is completely different to the IP242.
If you have only one, than your program is the problem. It's written for 2xIP242.
Are you sure thats your program is written for this PLC?
Do you have only a online copy or do you have a complete with symbolic and comments?

Pls delete the OB23 in the CPU, make a restart, check the istack, make hardcopys and show us.

If your machine don't stop (cause of DX0 parameters) load an OB23 only with a STP command inside in the PLC.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:52 pm

centipede pls be online i am going to factory it is 50 mile from my town. it will take 1 hour i am going to factory now......pls stay online...i will show you the stack when i will get it.....pls stay online.............. it will be a great help for me..

i have only one ip242

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:56 pm

centipede wrote:Pls tell us how many IP242 do you have in your PLC?
I always see only one IP242 on your picture. The 2. is an IP243 (near the CPU). It is completely different to the IP242.
If you have only one, than your program is the problem. It's written for 2xIP242.
Are you sure thats your program is written for this PLC?
Do you have only a online copy or do you have a complete with symbolic and comments?

Pls delete the OB23 in the CPU, make a restart, check the istack, make hardcopys and show us.

If your machine don't stop (cause of DX0 parameters) load an OB23 only with a STP command inside in the PLC.

i have only two project......here another...

http://plcforum.uz.ua//SCHOEDST.S5D

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:10 pm

Sorry I just see it now....
If DB18 D31.0 = 0 than you only have one IP242. Its for a other type of machine.

So I think your IP242 is broken. I hope for you, you have a spare part.
Otherwise look at Eba...!

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:25 pm

Here is my all istack & bstack

http://plcforum.uz.ua//Error_Report.zip

which of my program is ok?

51170EST.S5D

or another?

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:40 pm

The PB,OB and FB of the programms are the same.
The 51170E is a backup of the PLC, the Schoed is the Offline Version.

Definitly your IP242 is not accessable, if you don't have made any changes before on the IP I'm sure its broken.
You need a sparepart.

I think we can finish the search, you must change the module.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:15 am

Hey

i think i find some problem in power supply model

in 5v there is 15v in and other has no volt on that part i marked in image please see the images

http://i56.tinypic.com/1zyajnp.jpg

Now what is your comment

is it a problem??

waiting for your reply

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:27 am

Is it correct, you have a fan fault?

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:05 am

yes, i have a fan fault one fan has a little bit problem.

is my power supply voltage is ok?

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:08 am

normaly the powersupply makes a shutdown if it have a fan fault.
15V never exists if you don't have a 15V module inside the PS.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:25 pm

there is two power supply

one is cpu power supply(under the CPU)
which is ok and i have a spare power supply of this model.

but the problem is in another power supply model 6es5955-3lc14
i dont have any spare of this power supply

but this two power supply jack is exactly same but difference model
now if i use spare power supply in upward section will it work???
same voltage too......

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:01 pm

Ok, for testing....

there is a connector (switch) inside the PowerSupply named F-R. Normaly closed, if you will open the PS don't make a shutdown if it have fanfault.
It is only for testing, the 135U needs the fans!

Why you don't post the Modelnumber of your spare PS??
I can't say if it's ok or not without the MLFB (6ES5...).

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:23 pm

i have a power supply problem in S5 plc 135u/155u

now i have two power supply in S5 plc

one is for cpu.............. model 6ES5955-3LC42
another is for digital input/output card etc........model 6ES5955-3LC14

NOW 6ES5955-3LC14 power supply has a problem.... and i have no spare of this exact model power supply

but i have spare 6ES5955-3LC42 power supply. now can i use this power supply instead of 6ES5955-3LC14

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:17 pm

Take it!!

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:21 pm

Thanks a lot i will try it tomorrow..........

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:16 pm

i Change Power Supply and ip242 but still same problem....?

istack, bstack report same......

if i delete ob13 and ob20 why plc go into run mode??
what is in ob13 and 0b20.

please tell me any other way.........because i have no Siemens support in Bangladesh...i already try them....they told me they cant provide support for S5.

Please tell me any other way

here is my digital input card and output card address or settings

Digital input card
http://i53.tinypic.com/33jiwew.jpg

000001
000010
000011
000100
000110

Digital Output card
http://i54.tinypic.com/2daddef.jpg

000001
000010
000011
000110
001100

Why same address.....why the binary combination is difference.....
is it all right

it will be a great help

Waiting for your reply

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:12 pm

Hi,
do you change both or first the PS and check and second the IP and check?
Are you sure you have the correct settings on the IP?

If you want to pay I come and solve your problem!

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:26 pm

yes i check all settings

i change power supply and ip242 all at a time.

Can you please tell me how can i check di do card address?

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:31 pm

You cannot have an QVZ with the Digital Equipment. Your Istack says the last called Block befor OB23 was FB57, this Block read and write to the IP242. It's the 1st block communicate to the IP in FB161 in OB20.

Anyway you can check the Cardadress if pull the card out of the rack, than you see dill-switches on the rightside of every card.
Also the Analogue-Card.

Good Luck, You'll need it.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:42 pm

So, You think there is no problem with digital input, digital output & analogue card.......

after changing why it is not working??

if i delete ob13 & ob20 plc comes in run mode
WHY??

Here is address..

Digital input card
http://i53.tinypic.com/33jiwew.jpg

000001
000010
000011
000100
000110

Digital Output card
http://i54.tinypic.com/2daddef.jpg

000001
000010
000011
000110
001100

centipede · Post by **centipede** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:13 pm

In these blocks are the code for the IP and some else.
Look for a person next to you, which can help with Step5.
Now it's not so easy to help you more.

isteak007 · Post by **isteak007** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:27 pm

Thanks a lot for your help

Could you just tell me address is correct???or not

again thanks...................a lot.............

you have done a great job for me

i learn many new things from you......

here is my email isteak007@gmail.com
expecting a email from you

Again thanks for your help